Banaras, A Mystic Love Story

Banaras is not a destination its a journey of our lives. If you go to watch this movie for a ready-made solution or only to "kill" two hours, you may get disappointed. Banaras is aimed to create a thirst for something one is generally uncomfortable to explore.

Saturday, May 06, 2006

Free will vs Destiny




meeta said...

how much is destined and how much is free will?. soham says to gunjan that it is all destined.can destiny be changed by hard work/prayer/penance?
were soham and the psychatrist both destined to die. but miracles do occcur and the psychatrist was saved???
when one brother killed the other in anger was it both brothers destiny or was a life cut short?

11:42 AM


Dear Meeta,

A simple answer would be that free will and destiny are as a double helix intertwined
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We get born to particular parents; we never had a choice. We were born in a particular country; we had no choice. We were raised in a particular way; we had very little choice. The truth is that all of the above on which we had very little choice have good bearing on how we make our choices.

A lot of events that happen in our lives that we have no control, yet how we deal with them are certainly our choice.

How we act and how others act collectively within a society or how others react to our action has also got a bearing on how shall we act in future. So each “system” that we are a part of, also has a significant bearing on how we make our choices.

This is not the place to discuss the systems and cybernetic influences while exercising a so called “free will”, but it’s enough to say that, many times we merely believe to have made a choice out of our free will, where as the truth is, that a person in fear (which we all are under: fear of some kind) does never make a choice out of free will.

That was also the context in the movie when Babaji tells Soham what he wanted to hear. He was in love with Shwetambari and at that time, to be with her was the only thing that mattered to him. Yet he was afraid to admit it. A “free will” he exercises only when he is enlightened and decides to continue being with her. I say it a free will because that was done, not in fear but in complete awareness.

However what happens to Soham was indeed the destiny.

Let’s now look at a totally different example of destiny and free will.

Taking a particular road is your choice, driving at a particular speed is your choice but a drunk jumping in front of your car and getting injured is the destiny. Again running away from that place and not reporting to police is your choice (i.e. if that choice did exist J ). The most important aspect of this accident, however, would be as to how you deal with it. You can act responsibly with compassion or act like an irresponsible being.

But the question would be, in making that choice, how free is your will? Like if you were aware of the area where accident took place and knew of a case where a driver was lynched for causing an accident, you would possibly run away even though you had real intention to act responsibly.

In a circumstance that you have the option to apply a free will, see if you are free of all prejudice and fear and then make a choice.


To your other question, let’s face it we all are destined to die. But to an aware soul death draws no fear. Soham had gone far beyond death and fear. In fact Shwetambari reflects on this when talking to Dr Bhattacharya that “Sohams” don’t die in Banaras. Dr Bhattacharya seemed to have answer for everything yet under a deep trauma when he abandons all his knowledge, his own mind creates a reality out of his own latent faith.

When one brother kills another it’s a collective response of a system of which they both were a part. Don’t blame one brother alone. He only pulled the trigger. As far the Supreme intelligence, life and death, time and space they are just intent.

19 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to point one more unique aspect of Banaras the movie. For that, you have to consider two facts. Fact One is that the Indian civilisation is probably the only one that makes liberation one of the aims of daily life. Hence the four aims of human life are dharma artha kama moksha. Fact Two is that Indian cinema is over 100 years old. Indian talkies are 75 years old. Today, India churns out 800 odd films a year. Now justapose these two facts. Not one film dedicated to liberation or enlightenment till Banaras came along! Amazing! Are we ashamed? Do we think nobody is interested? Do filmmakers believe nationality and patriotism are higher virtues than spirituality, which anyway does not believe in divisions in the first place? What's the point of killing each other in the name of countries?

Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you actually implying that spirituality is more important than patriotism? I'd say you wouldn't be in India (I presume you are Indian) if it wasn't for the patriotism of the type we saw in Rang De Basanti! Spiritual people merely gaze at their navels.

Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you are getting aggressive without understanding the subject of spirituality. It's not just patriotism, even religion, when used to divide human beings, is not a desirable pursuit. More human beings have been killed in religious and patriotic wars than have died of natural causes. One the other hand, genuine spiritual leaders have always healed people...That's why Banaras is a huge initiative in world cinema! somebody has had courage enough to reach at the heart of what ails humanity!

Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does one have to be an Indian to write on Mr Singh's blog?

Moreover I don't think you even understnad that freedom was obtained not just by the a few of RDB kind but a true spiritualist, Mahatma.

Get out of these boundary conditions and grow up to create a better and boundaryless world.

Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think asking questions about what is free will and what is destiny is a mental, intellectual exercise...the intellect, becuase it deals with symbols, which is one step removed from reality, always confronts contradictions. In the spiritual realm there are no contradictions because that realm is tarnssymbolic, beyond symbols. and the only way to reach the spiritual realm is by letting the intellectual or mental realm die...the ego is a construct of the mental/intellectual realm...the only way it can dissolve is when it is confronted by its own non-existence, by its symbolic value...what is ego except memories...racial memories, environmental memories, personal memories? So if any of you guys want to get out of these arguments about nationalism vs spiritualism, sit down and meditate...make your ego the object rather than the subject...and then watch the spirit take over!

Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger me2007 said...

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Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:34:00 PM  
Blogger me2007 said...

so what was the psychatrists destiny ? what cured him faith or miracle or are both the same?
can destiny be changed by prayer?

Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:24:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Meeta,

There is NO miracle. What we don't understand using our sensory system and our "accepted" knowledge is a "miracle". Our brain is a sophisticated centre of Quantum world and we have explored a very little part of that.

Hence, in my mind, things happen because we make them to happen.

Monday, May 08, 2006 8:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meeta did asked a good question.

The answer is also convincing. However, the answer turn out to be material for a big discussion. What I don't agree with Mr. Singh is, the destiny part. Mr. Singh is correct in his saying we are born without our will. We born in country without our will. But, didn't Mr. Singh told in the movie, the life of a plant is stored in a nut and it waited for periods and when somebody give little water, little soil and little love, it grow as a plant? So, it is not that destiny. The plant have its own control in it.

We cannot understand in the first thougth, i.e. different issue. And regarding the accident, even the drunkard jumping to your car, you can avoid that, if your choices are correct. You may have to go little slow. You may have to take a route where people are not there. You may have to take a morning time. It is not destined.

Say, when you walk through a street. You are not bothered about the ants in the street. You may have killed many. It is upto the ants to select a place where people are not walking regularly.

And, regarding Soham's destiny, question is whether he is human or not? If he is human, there are 2 main forces in him. One, living spirit and dying spirit. If he is fond of living spirit, he will run away from the killer. (Especially since he knows the killer is coming). If he is fond of dying spirit, he has committed suicide. (Or equal to it)

And, Why Soham don't believe in lively existence? Why Shwethambari choose not to continue the physical world life? It is not she live in this world, but she didn't permit her life to continue in this world. It was her choice. Why? Did she advocate physical world is nothing? I cannot accept that.

However, regarding the free will point, the point is crystal clear and it is needed to be applauded.

Monday, May 08, 2006 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

Wanted to know when is the DVD of the movie releasing?

thanks

Monday, May 08, 2006 7:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Swana,

You may receive Mr. Singh's reply. But, let me share my opinion on your question.

In Tamil, the great Thiruvalluvar has written one poem, where (Thirukkural) he says, eyes are those which have knowledge. Eyes without knowledge is like having a wound on your face.

Simple... if we have enough knowledge, we can know things as things. Otherwise, we will treat it as useless. For example, if you give a very valuable glass to a child, he may not know its value and may through out. If there is gold in the sand, only people who search and locate that this sand contain gold can get that gold. In Bible there is a saying, dont' throw your valuables in the way of pigs, since they don't know the value of it and in turn it may attack you.

So, the first requirement to free will is thorough knowledge. Knowledge can come in the form of reading, writing, hearing, touching, experiencing and exercising. Basicaly, knowing things as it is and make maximum use of the avaialable resources to make a meaningful life. Knowledge and Wisdom is different. Acquiring mere knowledge will not serve the purpose of wisdom or knowledge. Say, if you learned that rubbing two stones together, you can can make fire. It is a knowledge. But when you actually use it and make fire and.... cook something and eat... there comes the wisdom.

If Knowledge is the first step, Wisdom is the final step to free will. A mind which do not know the fear and have wisdom can have a free will.

I have to stress one point on fear. Fear is a good emotion nature has given to each human being. Without fear human beings or for that matter any creature will die fast. As I mentioned earlier, there are 2 powerful forces in each human being. One is life ambition and the other is death ambition. Fear is supportive of life ambition, where adventurism is associated with death ambition.

Now, about destiny. I have my own conclusions, but I wait Mr. Singh's comment on my queries. As it is not the matter of my opinion or another person's opinion, but the truth that is what we are searching for.

Thanks Swana.

Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Swana,

Thanks for reading the comments.

And yes, your observation is correct. Each one have his/her potential. Realise that we are part of the Super Intelligence. Then we can release the power of SI if we are grown enough and learned enough.

Along with bhavana, a lot of hard work, enthusiasm, tolerance and moreover, consistent trace is required to achieve the goal of finding one's self.

Here we found ourself. Fine. But the next step is to identify THAT others are also part of the super intelligence and it is the one and the same. Me and you is the same (FOR THE BEGINNERS, READ AS SIMILAR). So, I cannot hurt you. I have to love you. And at this stage only (after realising that Me and you are the same) there is no sin stage appears.

It also helps us to give the bigger motive a chance, giving away our self.

Hey, this is my vague idea....

Dont' take it as an answer as I know I am a child in the field of philosophy, but treat it as part of a discussion. Share your findings as well....

See you again Swana...

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:10:00 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

I am sorry for publishing my views on Mr Singh's blog. It was only when Meeta said I realised that.

I will continue the discussions in my blog.

Swana, Meeta or for that matter somebody interested, please visit my blogpost. paul-friends.

See you there.

Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:36:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Dear friends,

I had no space before being born and will carry no space when I am no more. There nothing which gives me more pleasure in sharing space with people who are trying to reach to the TRUTH.

All the best..

Please carry on. I feel blessed in company of you all...

Friday, May 12, 2006 7:35:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Dear friends,

I had no space before being born and will carry no space when I am no more. There's nothing, which gives me more pleasure than sharing space with people who are trying to reach to the TRUTH.

All the best..

Please carry on. I feel blessed in company of you all...

Friday, May 12, 2006 7:36:00 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

Thanks Mr. Singh.

Thanks for your open mind.

Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger me2007 said...

dear sir,
so accidents, murders,careless driving ...are all destined ?
i get the part about destiny , but i dont understand intent.is it akin to : shweta saying to her mother that she did not commit any sin. i can understand forgivness but i dont understand how its not a 'sin'....intent?

Friday, May 26, 2006 1:55:00 PM  
Blogger pravingandhino1's travel blog said...

I dont know if this comment fits in with the Free Will vs Destiny discussion or the Mad Professor section. But here it is.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (HHGG) has given us a new concept: Probability.

We are ALL aware and comfortable with the 3 dimensions of space. We are adept at travelling anywhere in the spatial coordinates. MANY of us are aware of TIME as the 4th dimension. Quantum physics says it is indeed possible in the sub-atomic world to do time-travel.

My posit is: Change happens when one makes a committed decision in one direction. At that point, there is a certain probability p that one decided one way and a probability p' that one decided the other way.

HHGG in its own inimicable way shows both worlds to exist; moreover, the characters in HHGG merrily travel from one world to the other along the Probability axis.

So, there is a world where Sweta and Soham live happily ever after, and a world which follows the script of Benaras The Film.

And somebody empowered like Babaji can easily visit both worlds.

How does this affect the Free Will vs Destiny discussion?

Pravin Gandhi

Monday, June 26, 2006 2:44:00 PM  
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