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Deepti said...
hello Sir,I've been inspired by swana's & meeta's discussion about banaras to put forward a question to you... I asked few more people & nobody gave me an answer... may be they felt I'm not on that level yet to understand (which is possible!!)... could you please kindly express your thoughts in the simplest possible way...if 'Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman) is true for everyone, then why are we affected by Maya... if we are 'Him' then how can The Creator be affected by His own Creation... why did He/we cause this veil or separation at all...?
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Imagine (though not easily conceivable) there to be "nothing", only supreme intelligence (SI) filling the whole void.
Then an "idea" (for the lack of a more appropriate word) appears in form of an intent "to be".
With that the matter, time and distance gets created; and thus the "separation". But in order to feel the separation ( i.e. to be) a "part" of the SI appears.
However since the "part" is in a physical world it must follow its rules. The "fear" is created to help the "part" to indentify itself in order to survive. And the "design" is for the "part" to be able to "see" this, in time, in its life. And when it is able to do ( which is the destiny of everyone), the "part" is said to be enlightened. This is said by Soham when he describes his experience at Sarnath.
After that awareness the "part" becomes aware of the "absurdity" of time and space and separation. Hence as the "part" becomes aware of the truth, it develops a detatched view to the "illusionary world".
The question arises, therefore, that in the movie why does Soham cry while embracing Shwetambari for the last time?
The answer is simple. He doesn't cry because he is afraid of dying. He does so because he is aware of the pain, Shwetambari has to go through after his death. He cries thinking about her pain. It was created as a beautiful thought for people who would get it.
Your question was not a simple one. Upanishads as well as science have dealt with it in much detail. However, what I have mentioned here is what I have understood after studying everything including science, religeon and philosophy.
Hope it is useful to you.
posted by Unknown @ Friday, May 05, 2006
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Dear Sir,
you've explained it very beautifully... i'm glad i asked you... i understood soham's enlightenment at Sarnath... it was the same experience that Yoganandaji felt with the help of his Guru Sri Yukteswarji (autobiography of a yogi)... the total expansion of his Conciousness... & i also understood that soham cries for shweta's pain... i understand the rules we follow to live in this world... however why did this Super Intelligence intended the fear or separation if the final outcome of our journey is still to become detached & merge with It...? i feel that may be i'm trying to reach the roots of the plant (what guruji told soham) instead of just experiencing the beauty of my existence as a human... :) i read it somewhere that we're just a part of a Cosmic Dream... makes me question the importance of my existence at all... where 'Existence' is same as an 'Idea' only...
Dear Deepti,
Truth is simple.
The time when Babaji avoids the question; whether Shwetambai was
Soham's destiny, Babaji advises him not to go looking for the roots when he should be enjoying the flower.
Notice the context. Babaji also knows the state Soham was in. He was not yet enlightened. Therefore Babaji asks him just to enjoy the feeling of love. Bacause at that moment, at Soham's level of understanding, that was the truth.
Babaji's advise, mark it, is at the level of Soham's understanding.
However, when Babaji meets Soham after the enlghtenment at Krishnaurthy's meditation ground, he tells him, imlicitly, to choose his path since he could see everythig.
In reply Soham says that indeed he could now see the whole creation inside him. In effect he subtly tells Babaji that he was aware of what was in store for him and Shwetambari.
At that level of understanding, his own death loses its sting as Soham could see himself living through Shwetambari.
And that was the truth.
Deepti,
The sheer beauty of life, without a trace of fear pulsating in a state of pure awareness, is nothing but divinity.
Fear is as divine as life. Fear is created to see oneself separate from others. Else an entity will never be able to protect itself and would get extinct in no time.
When you see this truth, life will transform.
Dear sir,
isn't it contradictory though... to have fear to feel the separation, while on the other hand, we try to get rid of this fear so that we can feel united with God... why do we need to protect ourselves from becoming extint when if know (or think we know) that extinction doesn't really mean death... besides, we're only going to be merged with the Supreme Intelligence... it may be the extinction of our physical form, not the soul... so, how can we feel devine with the presence of fear inside...
i can see i'm still far away from enlightenment... :)
Deepti,
Read my answer again. It's not contrdictory. If you still feel the same, I would elaborate.
Dear Sir,
I'm sorry but i still haven't understood... would you be kind enough to elaborate on this...?
Hi Deepthi,
I have read the original post, the answer and the comments. I have this thoughts years back and I found myself in a position where I cannot move forward. My question was how the world was created, where there is nothing. My observation was that, if at all there is a place where there is nothing, we can create something. But the question is, how the first space appeared? Say it is created by Supreme Intelligence.
Then how the Supreme Intelligence was created? I had to come close to a minute dust point....
I imagined the supreme intelligence in the form of a minute particle. If it can be imagined, without space, a minute particle, rest can be proved. But, one particle cannot exist without space. Is it that Super Intelligence don't want space or time? It is like Super intelligence is the time, the space and the matter.
If this can be understood, Aham Brahmasmi is nothing. It is one in the super intelligence.
But, I don't agree on the principle of Maya altogether.
I am not Maya. I am here. I can see, I can think, I can eat.... I am alive.
If the supre Intelligence opt it like that way, not as a Maya, why we want to insist it as Maya?
There is one unanswered question by Deepthi, i.e. why the Supreme intelligence made the separaters. It is my opinion. But, it is for physical joy. It is through Physical joy you can reach a higher level of spritual joy.
I think I (the supreme intelligence )want to grow further.... experiment further and improve.....
Hey, it my idea only.....
Thanks...
Paul
hi paul...
your theory of minute particle sounds like the big bang theory where everything came into existence from that minute particle... & even scientists can't predict where that particle came from... & what you said about physical joy sounds somewhat convincing too... as they said that the supreme being created human beings to learn about their own true nature... i.e self realization...i read it somewhere that human body is a vehicle to gain knowledge & that's why even gods incarnate on earth to learn more... may be that's why the separation issue arised... may be we're all parts of supreme being as separated selves to realize ourselves for the sake of realizing me (the supreme being as a whole)!! we're all like cells of one ethereal body... :) hopefully this speculation leads us to an answer...
i think the simplest truth that soham's guru talked about was that this world is because you are... there's no world without you... it's like after going thru' all kinds of spritual quests, we come full circle... from where we started...
Qn..Deepti(part)
..however why did this Super Intelligence intended the fear or separation if the final outcome of our journey is still to become detached & merge with It...? i feel that may be i'm trying to reach the roots of the plant (what guruji told soham) instead of just experiencing the beauty of my existence as a human... :) i read it somewhere that we're just a part of a Cosmic Dream... makes me question the importance of my existence at all... where 'Existence' is same as an 'Idea' only...
A. When the "part" driven by an intent appears creating time and space, it needs to survive. The survival will be possible only if the entity is self-concious.
In order to keep itself secure, the entity must feel for its own life and be afraid of extinction (refers to the extinction of the intent by which it got created).
It seems, as if, for the "intent" to appear in the corporeal world, it must be wrapped in layers and layers of fear enabling it to get enough share of time (life) to fulfill itself.
And for some reason if a life gets terminated before the fulfillment, the intent would have to appear again till its fulfilled. The point to remember is that the "sense" of time is only when we are on the life side.
On the other side there is no hurry(because time is nonexistent):)
So, what should be our attitude?
Without investigation and understanding we can not get rid of fear. And if we can't, we will never be able to get out of the vicious cycle of plasure and pain.
It is great if we just decide to celebrate life as long as we ensure that the celebration never ends because with the end of that elation; creeps in, a feeling of acute sadness.
"Truth is simple", is accepting every state the way it presents itself.Afterall the "intent" will be born again and again and get plenty of chance to be fulfilled..
hmmm... very nicely explained by mr singh & robin... i'm lucky to have found some explanations for the things that puzzle so many souls... now the peices are joining together...
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Hi everone,
I am on travel to UK and USA. I am getting little time to contribute to my blog but I would do so at the earliest.
I am reading your comments, however, with a lot of interest.
Paul comments.....
"My understanding so far is that, when one person is dead, the soul is rejoining the mass (super intelligents) then and there. Whatever the merrits or demerrits for that life is there, it is absorbed. Whatever knowledge learned, the culture developed, the spritual joy acquired, all stored into the system. And the rebirth is not in the same form or as same person.
As the purpose of the super intelligence is common, there is no specific purpose which only a life can solve. If at all there is assignements for individual souls, the super intelligence is now more updated with every new information from various souls rejoined the mass."
My comments:
My dear friend you are blessed with curiousity and I admire your quest of knowledge.
In this context here can we, for a moment, drop our knowledge and begin to look at the truth?
When you refer to death it is obvously the physical body that is being referred. And when you talk about soul rejoining the "SI" we ae making the mistake of calling the soul to be joining the SI, as if both are some physical objects.
the soul, in my mind is nothing other than the SI and It is its menifestation that is the body.
Once the body is dead, all its memory, rememberance and emotion is dead. It has no influence on the SI.( I think we are still trying to think about SI through our sensory perceptions.)
But recall why the being appeared in the first place!
Think and comment. Then we can discuss this again..
Affectionately.
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Paul said....."I have to admit that I am yet to make a conclusion on that. And I can tell you, whatever conclusions we reach may not be correct, since our consciousness and brain power is very limited to understand the super intelligence's activities."
Dear Paul,
No discussion is possible if we are not ready to drop our knowledge. Unless we empty the glass we can never fill it with new.
I also agree with you that we will never understand the nature of truth by "intellectually" debating things, rather, we can benefit when we are able to "see" the truth.
Banaras is an attempt to make people "see" the truth.
hi paul... you're very right in saying that everything is a part of SI... even physical body... i don't think anyone ever denied that... it's a vehicle to help us live on the phyical plane... & you are correct... body is also a matter that can not be destroyed... it's made up of five elements... earth, fire, air, water, & soul (or ether)... that's why according to my observations on hindu creamation rites, a body is burned so that it can return to all it's 5 elements... ashes turn to earth, water gets evaporated to mix with atmosphere to come back in it's original form as water, fire is the burning itself, air as the body disintegrates while burning & spread into the environment thru' air... & soul gets back to ether... i'm not sure if my views are correct or not... but yes, body gets mingled with other objects of nature & takes different forms... but then what do you think is the essence of everything... if we combined air, water, earth, & fire in the 'right' proportions to create a physical body, can we make it function like a 'being'... how would you put intelligence in those elements to work together as a body... yes you can create a robot with programmed features... but do you think a robot would be able to grow physically, intellectually or emotionally, on it's own... have you noticed how there are different areas of science to study the nature of earth, fire, air, & water, but when it comes to studying the nature of most obvious link of 'spirit' which adds intelligence to run these elements in order, science backs away in reluctance 'cause it's not seen... they want to know how brain controls every emotion, but who put those emotions there is a question that's avoided... some scientists are trying though...
anyway, to cut the long story short... yes, i agree with the point that physical body (human or non human) IS a part of SI, it can not be destroyed, it has a meaning because of the 'energy', 'spirit' or 'intelligence' that resides in it... but we get attached to the shape we saw it in, that we knew as existing thru' our physical senses... & there's nothing without that spirit... it may interchange it's position though... & that's the truth shweta probably realized in banaras... that we get attached to one individual form & not the other 'cause the separation is in our mind, not in the body or spirit... but then as mr singh suggested... that the idea of separation helps us discriminate & survive...
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